Discussion:
Are Solar Batteries really worth it??
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Daniel70
2024-12-17 08:26:22 UTC
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Some of you might remember that in late November last year, I paid about
$5,000 to have a 5kW/h Solar Battery installed to go with my $4,500 16
Solar Panel system that I had had installed a couple of years previous.

And I commented how I was then disappointed that, a week or so after the
battery was installed, I had experienced a Black-out .... even though my
Battery was holding a charge.

It seems the Battery *NEEDS* the Mains Voltage present so the Battery
can produce the correct voltage (240V R.M.S.) at the correct 50 Hz
Frequency.

My power went out, again, at about 7:15p.m. yesterday, and did not
return until about 12:00 mid-day today ..... yes, something in the order
of 17 hours outage!!

At about 9:00a.m. today, I checked out the amount of charge in my
Battery and it showed four L.E.D.'s out of five, so 80% charged, give or
take.

So BEWARE before investing a lot of money in Solar Batteries, thinking
it will make you independant of The Mains ...... It DOESN'T.

A seperate Generator might be a better idea ..... *MAYBE* !!
--
Daniel
%
2024-12-17 15:58:46 UTC
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Post by Daniel70
Some of you might remember that in late November last year, I paid about
$5,000 to have a 5kW/h Solar Battery installed to go with my $4,500 16
Solar Panel system that I had had installed a couple of years previous.
And I commented how I was then disappointed that, a week or so after the
battery was installed, I had experienced a Black-out .... even though my
Battery was holding a charge.
It seems the Battery *NEEDS* the Mains Voltage present so the Battery
can produce the correct voltage (240V R.M.S.) at the correct 50 Hz
Frequency.
My power went out, again, at about 7:15p.m. yesterday, and did not
return until about 12:00 mid-day today ..... yes, something in the order
of 17 hours outage!!
At about 9:00a.m. today, I checked out the amount of charge in my
Battery and it showed four L.E.D.'s out of five, so 80% charged, give or
take.
So BEWARE before investing a lot of money in Solar Batteries, thinking
it will make you independant of The Mains ...... It DOESN'T.
A seperate Generator might be a better idea ..... *MAYBE* !!
so
Bertietaylor
2024-12-17 17:28:29 UTC
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Nice to know this. Arindam Banerjee is patenting a motor that transforms
DC from a battery to AC with no need of mains and anything electronic.
Looks like there could be demand for this. Good, good.

Other comments welcome from those who have faced similar issues. Getting
AC from DC usually requires inverter systems for domestic purposes.
%
2024-12-17 18:27:32 UTC
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Post by Bertietaylor
Nice to know this. Arindam Banerjee is patenting a motor that transforms
DC from a battery to AC with no need of mains and anything electronic.
Looks like there could be demand for this. Good, good.
Other comments welcome from those who have faced similar issues. Getting
AC from DC usually requires inverter systems for domestic purposes.
and this has to do with aus politics and aus general
Bertietaylor
2024-12-18 08:16:03 UTC
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Post by %
Post by Bertietaylor
Nice to know this. Arindam Banerjee is patenting a motor that transforms
DC from a battery to AC with no need of mains and anything electronic.
Looks like there could be demand for this. Good, good.
Other comments welcome from those who have faced similar issues. Getting
AC from DC usually requires inverter systems for domestic purposes.
and this has to do with aus politics and aus general
Merely responding to the OP. Don't know about aus.general; we are from
aus.politics the kennel of orDog, whose thoughts we follow with
considerable interest.
Daniel70
2024-12-18 09:13:37 UTC
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Post by Bertietaylor
Nice to know this. Arindam Banerjee is patenting a motor that transforms
DC from a battery to AC with no need of mains and anything electronic.
Looks like there could be demand for this. Good, good.
Inverters/Converters have been around for a long time.

If you live on a farm or out-back-of-beyond, where there is no Mains
Voltage for reference ..... Fridges, T.V.'s, etc. are still set up
expecting 240V R.M.S. 50Hz a.c. so that's what the Generators used in
those situations are set up for.
Post by Bertietaylor
Other comments welcome from those who have faced similar issues. Getting
AC from DC usually requires inverter systems for domestic purposes.
As I explained above.
--
Daniel
Bertietaylor
2024-12-18 09:27:06 UTC
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Post by Daniel70
Post by Bertietaylor
Nice to know this. Arindam Banerjee is patenting a motor that transforms
DC from a battery to AC with no need of mains and anything electronic.
Looks like there could be demand for this. Good, good.
Inverters/Converters have been around for a long time.
If you live on a farm or out-back-of-beyond, where there is no Mains
Voltage for reference ..... Fridges, T.V.'s, etc. are still set up
expecting 240V R.M.S. 50Hz a.c. so that's what the Generators used in
those situations are set up for.
Post by Bertietaylor
Other comments welcome from those who have faced similar issues. Getting
AC from DC usually requires inverter systems for domestic purposes.
As I explained above.
Yes, got it, thanks for the info.
There seems to be a market for low voltage DC source to AC gadget with
no need for mains or inverters.
Good.
Daniel70
2024-12-18 09:49:55 UTC
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Post by Bertietaylor
Post by Daniel70
Post by Bertietaylor
Nice to know this. Arindam Banerjee is patenting a motor that transforms
DC from a battery to AC with no need of mains and anything electronic.
Looks like there could be demand for this. Good, good.
Inverters/Converters have been around for a long time.
If you live on a farm or out-back-of-beyond, where there is no Mains
Voltage for reference ..... Fridges, T.V.'s, etc. are still set up
expecting 240V R.M.S. 50Hz a.c. so that's what the Generators used in
those situations are set up for.
Post by Bertietaylor
Other comments welcome from those who have faced similar issues. Getting
AC from DC usually requires inverter systems for domestic purposes.
As I explained above.
Yes, got it, thanks for the info.
There seems to be a market for low voltage DC source to AC gadget with
no need for mains or inverters.
Good.
The "DC source to AC gadget" *IS* the Inverter!!
--
Daniel
Bertietaylor
2024-12-18 14:27:59 UTC
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Post by Daniel70
Post by Bertietaylor
Post by Daniel70
Post by Bertietaylor
Nice to know this. Arindam Banerjee is patenting a motor that transforms
DC from a battery to AC with no need of mains and anything electronic.
Looks like there could be demand for this. Good, good.
Inverters/Converters have been around for a long time.
If you live on a farm or out-back-of-beyond, where there is no Mains
Voltage for reference ..... Fridges, T.V.'s, etc. are still set up
expecting 240V R.M.S. 50Hz a.c. so that's what the Generators used in
those situations are set up for.
Post by Bertietaylor
Other comments welcome from those who have faced similar issues. Getting
AC from DC usually requires inverter systems for domestic purposes.
As I explained above.
Yes, got it, thanks for the info.
There seems to be a market for low voltage DC source to AC gadget with
no need for mains or inverters.
Good.
The "DC source to AC gadget" *IS* the Inverter!!
Of course but that need not be the only way to turn DC to AC.

There is such a thing as invention, strange as that may sound in our AI
times.
Daniel70
2024-12-19 08:56:33 UTC
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Post by Bertietaylor
Post by Daniel70
Post by Bertietaylor
Post by Daniel70
Post by Bertietaylor
Nice to know this. Arindam Banerjee is patenting a motor that transforms
DC from a battery to AC with no need of mains and anything electronic.
Looks like there could be demand for this. Good, good.
Inverters/Converters have been around for a long time.
If you live on a farm or out-back-of-beyond, where there is no Mains
Voltage for reference ..... Fridges, T.V.'s, etc. are still set up
expecting 240V R.M.S. 50Hz a.c. so that's what the Generators used in
those situations are set up for.
Post by Bertietaylor
Other comments welcome from those who have faced similar issues. Getting
AC from DC usually requires inverter systems for domestic purposes.
As I explained above.
Yes, got it, thanks for the info.
There seems to be a market for low voltage DC source to AC gadget with
no need for mains or inverters.
Good.
The "DC source to AC gadget" *IS* the Inverter!!
Of course but that need not be the only way to turn DC to AC.
There is such a thing as invention, strange as that may sound in our AI
times.
ANY DEVICE THAT CONVERTS/INVERTS D.C. TO A.C. (by whatever method) *IS*
AN INVERTER ..... whatever the Developer/Inventor/Marketer want to call it!!

The CONVERTER converts the 12V to 240V ... the INVERTER inverts/converts
the (single polarity) D.C. to (sometimes Positive, sometimes Negative)
A.C. waveform!!
--
Daniel
Bertietaylor
2024-12-19 09:18:29 UTC
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Post by Daniel70
Post by Bertietaylor
Post by Daniel70
Post by Bertietaylor
Post by Daniel70
Post by Bertietaylor
Nice to know this. Arindam Banerjee is patenting a motor that transforms
DC from a battery to AC with no need of mains and anything electronic.
Looks like there could be demand for this. Good, good.
Inverters/Converters have been around for a long time.
If you live on a farm or out-back-of-beyond, where there is no Mains
Voltage for reference ..... Fridges, T.V.'s, etc. are still set up
expecting 240V R.M.S. 50Hz a.c. so that's what the Generators used in
those situations are set up for.
Post by Bertietaylor
Other comments welcome from those who have faced similar issues. Getting
AC from DC usually requires inverter systems for domestic purposes.
As I explained above.
Yes, got it, thanks for the info.
There seems to be a market for low voltage DC source to AC gadget with
no need for mains or inverters.
Good.
The "DC source to AC gadget" *IS* the Inverter!!
Of course but that need not be the only way to turn DC to AC.
There is such a thing as invention, strange as that may sound in our AI
times.
ANY DEVICE THAT CONVERTS/INVERTS D.C. TO A.C. (by whatever method) *IS*
AN INVERTER ..... whatever the Developer/Inventor/Marketer want to call it!!
The CONVERTER converts the 12V to 240V ... the INVERTER inverts/converts
the (single polarity) D.C. to (sometimes Positive, sometimes Negative)
A.C. waveform!!
Wonder what's a negative AC waveform.
Rod Speed
2024-12-19 19:06:12 UTC
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Post by Daniel70
Post by Bertietaylor
Post by Daniel70
Post by Bertietaylor
Post by Daniel70
Post by Bertietaylor
Nice to know this. Arindam Banerjee is patenting a motor that transforms
DC from a battery to AC with no need of mains and anything electronic.
Looks like there could be demand for this. Good, good.
Inverters/Converters have been around for a long time.
If you live on a farm or out-back-of-beyond, where there is no Mains
Voltage for reference ..... Fridges, T.V.'s, etc. are still set up
expecting 240V R.M.S. 50Hz a.c. so that's what the Generators used in
those situations are set up for.
Post by Bertietaylor
Other comments welcome from those who have faced similar issues. Getting
AC from DC usually requires inverter systems for domestic purposes.
As I explained above.
Yes, got it, thanks for the info.
There seems to be a market for low voltage DC source to AC gadget with
no need for mains or inverters.
Good.
The "DC source to AC gadget" *IS* the Inverter!!
Of course but that need not be the only way to turn DC to AC.
There is such a thing as invention, strange as that may sound in our AI
times.
ANY DEVICE THAT CONVERTS/INVERTS D.C. TO A.C. (by whatever method) *IS*
AN INVERTER ..... whatever the Developer/Inventor/Marketer want to call it!!
You have mangled that with motor generators
where the motor is driven by the DC supply.
Post by Daniel70
The CONVERTER converts the 12V to 240V ... the INVERTER inverts/converts
the (single polarity) D.C. to (sometimes Positive, sometimes Negative)
A.C. waveform!!
And that in spades. Its also an inverter when it turns 12DC directly into
240V AC
Daniel70
2024-12-20 10:49:15 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 19:56:33 +1100, Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
Post by Bertietaylor
Post by Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
Post by Bertietaylor
Nice to know this. Arindam Banerjee is patenting a motor
that transforms DC from a battery to AC with no need of
mains and anything electronic. Looks like there could be
demand for this. Good, good.
Inverters/Converters have been around for a long time.
If you live on a farm or out-back-of-beyond, where there is
no Mains Voltage for reference ..... Fridges, T.V.'s, etc.
are still set up expecting 240V R.M.S. 50Hz a.c. so that's
what the Generators used in those situations are set up
for.
Post by Bertietaylor
Other comments welcome from those who have faced similar
issues. Getting AC from DC usually requires inverter
systems for domestic purposes.
As I explained above.
Yes, got it, thanks for the info. There seems to be a market
for low voltage DC source to AC gadget with no need for mains
or inverters. Good.
The "DC source to AC gadget" *IS* the Inverter!!
Of course but that need not be the only way to turn DC to AC.
There is such a thing as invention, strange as that may sound in
our AI times.
ANY DEVICE THAT CONVERTS/INVERTS D.C. TO A.C. (by whatever method)
*IS* AN INVERTER ..... whatever the Developer/Inventor/Marketer
want to call it!!
You have mangled that with motor generators where the motor is driven
by the DC supply.
Post by Daniel70
The CONVERTER converts the 12V to 240V ... the INVERTER
inverts/converts the (single polarity) D.C. to (sometimes Positive,
sometimes Negative) A.C. waveform!!
And that in spades. Its also an inverter when it turns 12DC directly
into 240V AC
Yes, because that 240v AC is (sometimes Positive, sometimes Negative)
A.C. waveform!!
--
Daniel
Rod Speed
2024-12-20 17:50:35 UTC
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Post by Daniel70
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 19:56:33 +1100, Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
Post by Bertietaylor
Nice to know this. Arindam Banerjee is patenting a motor
that transforms DC from a battery to AC with no need of
mains and anything electronic. Looks like there could be
demand for this. Good, good.
Inverters/Converters have been around for a long time.
If you live on a farm or out-back-of-beyond, where there is
no Mains Voltage for reference ..... Fridges, T.V.'s, etc.
are still set up expecting 240V R.M.S. 50Hz a.c. so that's
what the Generators used in those situations are set up
for.
Post by Bertietaylor
Other comments welcome from those who have faced similar
issues. Getting AC from DC usually requires inverter
systems for domestic purposes.
As I explained above.
Yes, got it, thanks for the info. There seems to be a market
for low voltage DC source to AC gadget with no need for mains
or inverters. Good.
The "DC source to AC gadget" *IS* the Inverter!!
Of course but that need not be the only way to turn DC to AC. There
is such a thing as invention, strange as that may sound in
our AI times.
ANY DEVICE THAT CONVERTS/INVERTS D.C. TO A.C. (by whatever method)
*IS* AN INVERTER ..... whatever the Developer/Inventor/Marketer
want to call it!!
You have mangled that with motor generators where the motor is driven
by the DC supply.
Post by Daniel70
The CONVERTER converts the 12V to 240V ... the INVERTER
inverts/converts the (single polarity) D.C. to (sometimes Positive,
sometimes Negative) A.C. waveform!!
And that in spades. Its also an inverter when it turns 12V DC directly
into 240V AC
Yes, because that 240v AC is (sometimes Positive, sometimes Negative)
A.C. waveform!!
That's not what the word inverter means. It inverts 12V
into 240V regardless of whether the output is AC or DC,
Daniel70
2024-12-21 08:31:21 UTC
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On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 21:49:15 +1100, Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 19:56:33 +1100, Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
Post by Bertietaylor
Nice to know this. Arindam Banerjee is patenting a motor
that transforms DC from a battery to AC with no need of
mains and anything electronic. Looks like there could be
demand for this. Good, good.
Inverters/Converters have been around for a long time.
If you live on a farm or out-back-of-beyond, where there is
no Mains Voltage for reference ..... Fridges, T.V.'s, etc.
are still set up expecting 240V R.M.S. 50Hz a.c. so that's
what the Generators used in those situations are set up
for.
Post by Bertietaylor
Other comments welcome from those who have faced similar
issues. Getting AC from DC usually requires inverter
systems for domestic purposes.
 As I explained above.
 Yes, got it, thanks for the info. There seems to be a market
for low voltage DC source to AC gadget with no need for mains
or inverters. Good.
 The "DC source to AC gadget" *IS* the Inverter!!
Of course but that need not be the only way to turn DC to AC. There
is such a thing as invention, strange as that may sound in
our AI times.
ANY DEVICE THAT CONVERTS/INVERTS D.C. TO A.C. (by whatever method)
*IS* AN INVERTER ..... whatever the Developer/Inventor/Marketer
want to call it!!
You have mangled that with motor generators where the motor is driven
by the DC supply.
Post by Daniel70
The CONVERTER converts the 12V to 240V ... the INVERTER
inverts/converts the (single polarity) D.C. to (sometimes Positive,
 sometimes Negative) A.C. waveform!!
 And that in spades. Its also an inverter when it turns 12V DC directly
 into 240V AC
Yes, because that 240v AC is (sometimes Positive, sometimes Negative)
A.C. waveform!!
That's not what the word inverter means. It inverts 12V
into 240V regardless of whether the output is AC or DC,
In any normal conversations, the word 'invert' would imply a change of
'direction' i.e. 'Up' inverting to 'Down', or 'Positive' inverting to
'Negative'.

Going from (any) 12V to (any) 240V should imply a
CONVERSION/MULTIPLICATION not an INVERTIN!!

At least in my LEXICON
--
Daniel
Rod Speed
2024-12-21 09:28:45 UTC
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Post by Daniel70
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 21:49:15 +1100, Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 19:56:33 +1100, Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
Post by Bertietaylor
Nice to know this. Arindam Banerjee is patenting a motor
that transforms DC from a battery to AC with no need of
mains and anything electronic. Looks like there could be
demand for this. Good, good.
Inverters/Converters have been around for a long time.
If you live on a farm or out-back-of-beyond, where there is
no Mains Voltage for reference ..... Fridges, T.V.'s, etc.
are still set up expecting 240V R.M.S. 50Hz a.c. so that's
what the Generators used in those situations are set up
for.
Post by Bertietaylor
Other comments welcome from those who have faced similar
issues. Getting AC from DC usually requires inverter
systems for domestic purposes.
As I explained above.
Yes, got it, thanks for the info. There seems to be a market
for low voltage DC source to AC gadget with no need for mains
or inverters. Good.
The "DC source to AC gadget" *IS* the Inverter!!
Of course but that need not be the only way to turn DC to AC. There
is such a thing as invention, strange as that may sound in
our AI times.
ANY DEVICE THAT CONVERTS/INVERTS D.C. TO A.C. (by whatever method)
*IS* AN INVERTER ..... whatever the Developer/Inventor/Marketer
want to call it!!
You have mangled that with motor generators where the motor is driven
by the DC supply.
Post by Daniel70
The CONVERTER converts the 12V to 240V ... the INVERTER
inverts/converts the (single polarity) D.C. to (sometimes Positive,
sometimes Negative) A.C. waveform!!
And that in spades. Its also an inverter when it turns 12V DC directly
into 240V AC
Yes, because that 240v AC is (sometimes Positive, sometimes Negative)
A.C. waveform!!
That's not what the word inverter means. It inverts 12V
into 240V regardless of whether the output is AC or DC,
In any normal conversations, the word 'invert' would imply a change of
'direction' i.e. 'Up' inverting to 'Down', or 'Positive' inverting to
'Negative'.
When talking about inverters, it refers to an increas in the voltage.
Post by Daniel70
Going from (any) 12V to (any) 240V should imply a
CONVERSION/MULTIPLICATION not an INVERTIN!!
The device is called an inverter
Post by Daniel70
At least in my LEXICON
Then you need a new one
Daniel70
2024-12-21 12:59:59 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Daniel70
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 21:49:15 +1100, Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 19:56:33 +1100, Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
Post by Bertietaylor
Post by Daniel70
Post by Bertietaylor
Nice to know this. Arindam Banerjee is patenting a motor
that transforms DC from a battery to AC with no need of
mains and anything electronic. Looks like there could be
demand for this. Good, good.
Inverters/Converters have been around for a long time.
If you live on a farm or out-back-of-beyond, where there is
no Mains Voltage for reference ..... Fridges, T.V.'s, etc.
are still set up expecting 240V R.M.S. 50Hz a.c. so that's
what the Generators used in those situations are set up
for.
Post by Bertietaylor
Other comments welcome from those who have faced similar
issues. Getting AC from DC usually requires inverter
systems for domestic purposes.
 As I explained above.
 Yes, got it, thanks for the info. There seems to be a market
for low voltage DC source to AC gadget with no need for mains
or inverters. Good.
 The "DC source to AC gadget" *IS* the Inverter!!
Of course but that need not be the only way to turn DC to AC.
There is such a thing as invention, strange as that may sound in
our AI times.
ANY DEVICE THAT CONVERTS/INVERTS D.C. TO A.C. (by whatever method)
*IS* AN INVERTER ..... whatever the Developer/Inventor/Marketer
want to call it!!
You have mangled that with motor generators where the motor is driven
by the DC supply.
Post by Daniel70
The CONVERTER converts the 12V to 240V ... the INVERTER
inverts/converts the (single polarity) D.C. to (sometimes Positive,
 sometimes Negative) A.C. waveform!!
 And that in spades. Its also an inverter when it turns 12V DC directly
 into 240V AC
Yes, because that 240v AC is (sometimes Positive, sometimes Negative)
A.C. waveform!!
 That's not what the word inverter means. It inverts 12V
into 240V regardless of whether the output is AC or DC,
In any normal conversations, the word 'invert' would imply a change of
'direction' i.e. 'Up' inverting to 'Down', or 'Positive' inverting to
'Negative'.
When talking about inverters, it refers to an increas in the voltage.
Yes, Roddles, of course it does ....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_inverter

Quote
A power inverter, inverter, or invertor is a power electronic device or
circuitry that changes direct current (DC) to alternating current
(AC).[1] The resulting AC frequency obtained depends on the particular
device employed. Inverters do the opposite of rectifiers which were
originally large electromechanical devices converting AC to DC.[2]
End Quote
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Daniel70
Going from (any) 12V to (any) 240V should imply a
CONVERSION/MULTIPLICATION not an INVERTIN!!
The device is called an inverter
See above, Roddles, or do you want me to paste it in again??
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Daniel70
At least in my LEXICON
Then you need a new one
Or DO I, Roddles??

I've posted a REFERENCE that supports my understanding.

CAN YOU, RODDLES??
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Daniel
Ördög
2024-12-21 22:05:46 UTC
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/All quoted text was auto-filtered/

Daniel70
Post by Petzl
Rod Speed
/snip/
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Then you need a new one
Or DO I, Roddles??
I've posted a REFERENCE that supports my understanding.
CAN YOU, RODDLES??
Clearly, Alzheimer Rod can't! His inflated ego does not allow for such
proper response options.

His motto is: *Never admit to being wrong ... ever!*

;-P
--
Ördög
Your scary shadow that says *Booo* in the dark
Daniel70
2024-12-22 08:27:29 UTC
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Post by Ördög
/All quoted text was auto-filtered/
Daniel70
Post by Petzl
Rod Speed
/snip/
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Then you need a new one
Or DO I, Roddles??
I've posted a REFERENCE that supports my understanding.
CAN YOU, RODDLES??
Clearly, Alzheimer Rod can't! His inflated ego does not allow for such
proper response options.
It's been less than one day. Maybe Roddles needs just a little longer!!
Maybe!!
Post by Ördög
His motto is: *Never admit to being wrong ... ever!*
;-P
Yes, and he's not the only person of that kind that I've encountered in
UseNet groups!! The other person, I'd just about put in the
"God-Botherer" category .... but I don't think Roddles would fit in that
category!! ;-P
--
Daniel
%
2024-12-22 18:31:27 UTC
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you said snip , i snipped
Daniel70
2024-12-23 08:22:25 UTC
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you said snip , i snipped
Ah! Good Boy!! .... but I don't know when I last said "snip"!!
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Daniel
%
2024-12-23 16:30:12 UTC
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Post by %
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you said snip , i snipped
Ah! Good Boy!! .... but I don't know when I last said "snip"!!
in this post or i wouldn't have snipped like you said
Daniel70
2024-12-24 08:37:02 UTC
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Post by Daniel70
Post by %
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you said snip , i snipped
Ah! Good Boy!! .... but I don't know when I last said "snip"!!
in this post or i  wouldn't have snipped like you said
You must have bloody good hearing to have heard me saying "snip"!!
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Daniel
Ördög
2024-12-21 22:00:03 UTC
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/All quoted text was auto-filtered/

Alzheimer Rod riding on his high-horse ego trip
/snip/
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Daniel70
 That's not what the word inverter means. It inverts 12V
into 240V regardless of whether the output is AC or DC,
Rubbish.

Changing voltage is achieved by transformers, boost converters and
voltage regulators.

Stop pretending that you are a universal expert on everything under the
sun, Alzheimer!
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Daniel70
In any normal conversations, the word 'invert' would imply a change of
'direction' i.e. 'Up' inverting to 'Down', or 'Positive' inverting to
'Negative'.
When talking about inverters, it refers to an increas in the voltage.
BULLSHIT!
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Daniel70
Going from (any) 12V to (any) 240V should imply a
CONVERSION/MULTIPLICATION not an INVERTIN!!
The device is called an inverter
RUBBISH! Goodness me, would you get some serious belly aches if just for
once you have admitted to be wrong, Alzheimer Rod???
aus.general
Clearly you are absolutely ignorant of the technical terminology in use!

Look it up moron!

<https://www.circuitbasics.com/what-are-dc-dc-converters/>

or

<https://www.power-supplies-australia.com.au/dc-to-dc-converters>
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Daniel70
At least in my LEXICON
Then you need a new one
NO, he does not! But you need a new brain not completely fried by ego
mania and superiority complex, Alzneimer Rod!
--
Ördög
Your scary shadow that says *Booo* in the dark
Rod Speed
2024-12-17 18:37:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Daniel70
Some of you might remember that in late November last year, I paid about
$5,000 to have a 5kW/h Solar Battery installed to go with my $4,500 16
Solar Panel system that I had had installed a couple of years previous.
And I commented how I was then disappointed that, a week or so after the
battery was installed, I had experienced a Black-out .... even though my
Battery was holding a charge.
It seems the Battery *NEEDS* the Mains Voltage present so the Battery
can produce the correct voltage (240V R.M.S.) at the correct 50 Hz
Frequency.
My power went out, again, at about 7:15p.m. yesterday, and did not
return until about 12:00 mid-day today ..... yes, something in the order
of 17 hours outage!!
At about 9:00a.m. today, I checked out the amount of charge in my
Battery and it showed four L.E.D.'s out of five, so 80% charged, give or
take.
So BEWARE before investing a lot of money in Solar Batteries, thinking
it will make you independant of The Mains ...... It DOESN'T.
A seperate Generator might be a better idea ..... *MAYBE* !!
You can get a battery config which provides power to
your house when there is no mains avaiable but it isnt
cheap because it has to disconnect from the mains in
that situation.
Petzl
2024-12-17 20:18:23 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 05:37:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Daniel70
Some of you might remember that in late November last year, I paid about
$5,000 to have a 5kW/h Solar Battery installed to go with my $4,500 16
Solar Panel system that I had had installed a couple of years previous.
And I commented how I was then disappointed that, a week or so after the
battery was installed, I had experienced a Black-out .... even though my
Battery was holding a charge.
It seems the Battery *NEEDS* the Mains Voltage present so the Battery
can produce the correct voltage (240V R.M.S.) at the correct 50 Hz
Frequency.
My power went out, again, at about 7:15p.m. yesterday, and did not
return until about 12:00 mid-day today ..... yes, something in the order
of 17 hours outage!!
At about 9:00a.m. today, I checked out the amount of charge in my
Battery and it showed four L.E.D.'s out of five, so 80% charged, give or
take.
So BEWARE before investing a lot of money in Solar Batteries, thinking
it will make you independant of The Mains ...... It DOESN'T.
A seperate Generator might be a better idea ..... *MAYBE* !!
You can get a battery config which provides power to
your house when there is no mains avaiable but it isnt
cheap because it has to disconnect from the mains in
that situation.
If he has enough solar cells and a battery that can stand/provide
power for the end of daylight then have power discontented
(go off Grid)
Which needs check he may have to buy more batteries and solar panels
Same problem Albanese has
But don't worry Albanese can just print more money for something not
proven to work, but is proving it won't
https://www.tameware.com/adam/global_warming/ypm.html
--
Petzl
The Greens have never done anything worthwhile to this country.
All they are known for is being an arm of the ALP and handing them and
vice versa, preferences at election time.

Labor the best party that Chinese money can buy!
Rod Speed
2024-12-17 23:57:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Petzl
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 05:37:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 19:26:22 +1100, Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
Some of you might remember that in late November last year, I paid about
$5,000 to have a 5kW/h Solar Battery installed to go with my $4,500 16
Solar Panel system that I had had installed a couple of years previous.
And I commented how I was then disappointed that, a week or so after the
battery was installed, I had experienced a Black-out .... even though my
Battery was holding a charge.
It seems the Battery *NEEDS* the Mains Voltage present so the Battery
can produce the correct voltage (240V R.M.S.) at the correct 50 Hz
Frequency.
My power went out, again, at about 7:15p.m. yesterday, and did not
return until about 12:00 mid-day today ..... yes, something in the order
of 17 hours outage!!
At about 9:00a.m. today, I checked out the amount of charge in my
Battery and it showed four L.E.D.'s out of five, so 80% charged, give or
take.
So BEWARE before investing a lot of money in Solar Batteries, thinking
it will make you independant of The Mains ...... It DOESN'T.
A seperate Generator might be a better idea ..... *MAYBE* !!
You can get a battery config which provides power to
your house when there is no mains avaiable but it isnt
cheap because it has to disconnect from the mains in
that situation.
If he has enough solar cells and a battery that can stand/provide
power for the end of daylight then have power discontented
(go off Grid)
That's a separate matter to providing power during a mains failure.
Post by Petzl
Which needs check he may have to buy more batteries and solar panels
Nope
Petzl
2024-12-18 02:46:43 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 10:57:55 +1100, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 05:37:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 19:26:22 +1100, Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
Some of you might remember that in late November last year, I paid about
$5,000 to have a 5kW/h Solar Battery installed to go with my $4,500 16
Solar Panel system that I had had installed a couple of years previous.
And I commented how I was then disappointed that, a week or so after the
battery was installed, I had experienced a Black-out .... even though my
Battery was holding a charge.
It seems the Battery *NEEDS* the Mains Voltage present so the Battery
can produce the correct voltage (240V R.M.S.) at the correct 50 Hz
Frequency.
My power went out, again, at about 7:15p.m. yesterday, and did not
return until about 12:00 mid-day today ..... yes, something in the order
of 17 hours outage!!
At about 9:00a.m. today, I checked out the amount of charge in my
Battery and it showed four L.E.D.'s out of five, so 80% charged, give or
take.
So BEWARE before investing a lot of money in Solar Batteries, thinking
it will make you independant of The Mains ...... It DOESN'T.
A seperate Generator might be a better idea ..... *MAYBE* !!
You can get a battery config which provides power to
your house when there is no mains avaiable but it isnt
cheap because it has to disconnect from the mains in
that situation.
If he has enough solar cells and a battery that can stand/provide
power for the end of daylight then have power discontented
(go off Grid)
That's a separate matter to providing power during a mains failure.
if off grid
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Which needs check he may have to buy more batteries and solar panels
Nope
Could be if off grid
a 5,000 watt power supply is not enough for me
My hot water alone is 5,000 watt Air conditioner
is easily that as well,

if not off grid running power generating for home can go backwards
into overhead power lines and dangerous for linesmen who believe power
is diisconected
__
Petzl
Anthony Albanese at age of 18 got a job for nine months in
commonwealth bank
<https://www.linkedin.com/posts/vern-hughes-92341119_it-is-not-true-that-anthony-albanese-has-activity-7068765502021517312-jwAC>
https://t.ly/5jJjE
It is not true that Anthony Albanese has never held a real job. He
worked in the Commonwealth Bank for 9 months when he was 18.

Albo's replacement at Commonwealth Bank

just push"F5" to remove advert
Rod Speed
2024-12-18 05:09:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Petzl
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 10:57:55 +1100, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 05:37:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 19:26:22 +1100, Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
Some of you might remember that in late November last year, I paid about
$5,000 to have a 5kW/h Solar Battery installed to go with my $4,500 16
Solar Panel system that I had had installed a couple of years previous.
And I commented how I was then disappointed that, a week or so after the
battery was installed, I had experienced a Black-out .... even though my
Battery was holding a charge.
It seems the Battery *NEEDS* the Mains Voltage present so the Battery
can produce the correct voltage (240V R.M.S.) at the correct 50 Hz
Frequency.
My power went out, again, at about 7:15p.m. yesterday, and did not
return until about 12:00 mid-day today ..... yes, something in the order
of 17 hours outage!!
At about 9:00a.m. today, I checked out the amount of charge in my
Battery and it showed four L.E.D.'s out of five, so 80% charged, give or
take.
So BEWARE before investing a lot of money in Solar Batteries, thinking
it will make you independant of The Mains ...... It DOESN'T.
A seperate Generator might be a better idea ..... *MAYBE* !!
You can get a battery config which provides power to
your house when there is no mains avaiable but it isnt
cheap because it has to disconnect from the mains in
that situation.
If he has enough solar cells and a battery that can stand/provide
power for the end of daylight then have power discontented
(go off Grid)
That's a separate matter to providing power during a mains failure.
if off grid
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Which needs check he may have to buy more batteries and solar panels
Nope
Could be if off grid
a 5,000 watt power supply is not enough for me
My hot water alone is 5,000 watt Air conditioner
is easily that as well,
Irrelevant to what he has
Post by Petzl
if not off grid running power generating for home can go backwards
into overhead power lines and dangerous for linesmen who believe power
is diisconected
That's why the standard installation doesnt operate in a mains failure.
Petzl
2024-12-18 10:51:01 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 16:09:59 +1100, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 10:57:55 +1100, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 05:37:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 19:26:22 +1100, Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
Some of you might remember that in late November last year, I paid about
$5,000 to have a 5kW/h Solar Battery installed to go with my $4,500 16
Solar Panel system that I had had installed a couple of years previous.
And I commented how I was then disappointed that, a week or so after the
battery was installed, I had experienced a Black-out .... even though my
Battery was holding a charge.
It seems the Battery *NEEDS* the Mains Voltage present so the Battery
can produce the correct voltage (240V R.M.S.) at the correct 50 Hz
Frequency.
My power went out, again, at about 7:15p.m. yesterday, and did not
return until about 12:00 mid-day today ..... yes, something in the order
of 17 hours outage!!
At about 9:00a.m. today, I checked out the amount of charge in my
Battery and it showed four L.E.D.'s out of five, so 80% charged, give or
take.
So BEWARE before investing a lot of money in Solar Batteries, thinking
it will make you independant of The Mains ...... It DOESN'T.
A seperate Generator might be a better idea ..... *MAYBE* !!
You can get a battery config which provides power to
your house when there is no mains avaiable but it isnt
cheap because it has to disconnect from the mains in
that situation.
If he has enough solar cells and a battery that can stand/provide
power for the end of daylight then have power discontented
(go off Grid)
That's a separate matter to providing power during a mains failure.
if off grid
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Which needs check he may have to buy more batteries and solar panels
Nope
Could be if off grid
a 5,000 watt power supply is not enough for me
My hot water alone is 5,000 watt Air conditioner
is easily that as well,
Irrelevant to what he has
?
For me to go off grid I would need 20–30 kWh of battery storage.
With at least 10KW supply from solar cells
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
if not off grid running power generating for home can go backwards
into overhead power lines and dangerous for linesmen who believe power
is diisconected
That's why the standard installation doesnt operate in a mains failure.
Wow you got one right?
--
Petzl
"What is the cost of lies? It’s not that we’ll mistake them for the truth.
The real danger is that if we hear enough lies,
then we no longer recognize the truth at all."
Rod Speed
2024-12-18 20:40:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Petzl
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 16:09:59 +1100, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 10:57:55 +1100, "Rod Speed"
Post by Petzl
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 05:37:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 19:26:22 +1100, Daniel70
Some of you might remember that in late November last year, I pa=
id
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Petzl
about
$5,000 to have a 5kW/h Solar Battery installed to go with my $4,=
500
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Petzl
16
Solar Panel system that I had had installed a couple of years previous.
And I commented how I was then disappointed that, a week or so =
after
the
battery was installed, I had experienced a Black-out .... even =
though
my
Battery was holding a charge.
It seems the Battery *NEEDS* the Mains Voltage present so the =
Battery
can produce the correct voltage (240V R.M.S.) at the correct 50 =
Hz
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Petzl
Frequency.
My power went out, again, at about 7:15p.m. yesterday, and did n=
ot
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Petzl
return until about 12:00 mid-day today ..... yes, something in t=
he
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Petzl
order
of 17 hours outage!!
At about 9:00a.m. today, I checked out the amount of charge in m=
y
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Petzl
Battery and it showed four L.E.D.'s out of five, so 80% charged,=
=
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Petzl
give
or
take.
So BEWARE before investing a lot of money in Solar Batteries, thinking
it will make you independant of The Mains ...... It DOESN'T.
A seperate Generator might be a better idea ..... *MAYBE* !!
You can get a battery config which provides power to
your house when there is no mains avaiable but it isnt
cheap because it has to disconnect from the mains in
that situation.
If he has enough solar cells and a battery that can stand/provide
power for the end of daylight then have power discontented
(go off Grid)
That's a separate matter to providing power during a mains failure.=
if off grid
Post by Petzl
Which needs check he may have to buy more batteries and solar pane=
ls
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Nope
Could be if off grid
a 5,000 watt power supply is not enough for me
My hot water alone is 5,000 watt Air conditioner
is easily that as well,
Irrelevant to what he has
?
For me to go off grid I would need 20=E2=80=9330 kWh of battery storag=
e.
Post by Petzl
With at least 10KW supply from solar cells
He isnt talking about going off grid, he is talking about using
what is in the battery until the mains comes back on again..
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
if not off grid running power generating for home can go backwards
into overhead power lines and dangerous for linesmen who believe pow=
er
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
is diisconected
That's why the standard installation doesnt operate in a mains failur=
e.
Petzl
2024-12-18 22:08:20 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 07:40:23 +1100, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 16:09:59 +1100, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 10:57:55 +1100, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 05:37:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 19:26:22 +1100, Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
Some of you might remember that in late November last year, I paid about
$5,000 to have a 5kW/h Solar Battery installed to go with my $4,500 16
Solar Panel system that I had had installed a couple of years previous.
And I commented how I was then disappointed that, a week or so
after
the
battery was installed, I had experienced a Black-out .... even
though
my
Battery was holding a charge.
It seems the Battery *NEEDS* the Mains Voltage present so the Battery
can produce the correct voltage (240V R.M.S.) at the correct 50 Hz
Frequency.
My power went out, again, at about 7:15p.m. yesterday, and did not
return until about 12:00 mid-day today ..... yes, something in the order
of 17 hours outage!!
At about 9:00a.m. today, I checked out the amount of charge in my
Battery and it showed four L.E.D.'s out of five, so 80% charged,
give
or
take.
So BEWARE before investing a lot of money in Solar Batteries, thinking
it will make you independant of The Mains ...... It DOESN'T.
A seperate Generator might be a better idea ..... *MAYBE* !!
You can get a battery config which provides power to
your house when there is no mains avaiable but it isnt
cheap because it has to disconnect from the mains in
that situation.
If he has enough solar cells and a battery that can stand/provide
power for the end of daylight then have power discontented
(go off Grid)
That's a separate matter to providing power during a mains failure.
if off grid
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Which needs check he may have to buy more batteries and solar panels
Nope
Could be if off grid
a 5,000 watt power supply is not enough for me
My hot water alone is 5,000 watt Air conditioner
is easily that as well,
Irrelevant to what he has
?
For me to go off grid I would need 20–30 kWh of battery storage.
With at least 10KW supply from solar cells
He isnt talking about going off grid, he is talking about using
what is in the battery until the mains comes back on again..
I knew that
I doubt if a 5kW/h Solar Battery would supply a fridge and freezer
reliably
What is needed is for people to know "Green energy" is a waste of
money I have the pricing for ONE average home to fully supply 240volt
electricity 24/7 costs AU$30,000 doubt if Albanese can do this price
or even 4 times that.

The reality of the cost for EVERY home in
Australia is AU$30,000 per home Thats if you have a BIG roof
https://ibb.co/k8gxMXK pic of home 10kw solar, with 20–30 kWh of
battery storage. probably need 15kw of solar panels?
But yes one could get a generator to top up, same cost as 10 more
panels?
Post by Rod Speed
--
Petzl
The Australian Government will provide an estimated $32.2 million to
the Occupied Palestinian Territories in 2024-25 (including $20.0
million to HAMAS terrorist controlled UNRWA).
https://t.ly/_pUC6
Australians are 'paying the salary' of terrorists amid uncovered UNRWA
links to Hamas commander
Rod Speed
2024-12-18 22:53:21 UTC
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Post by Petzl
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 07:40:23 +1100, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 16:09:59 +1100, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 10:57:55 +1100, "Rod Speed"
Post by Petzl
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 05:37:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 19:26:22 +1100, Daniel70
Some of you might remember that in late November last year, I =
=
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Petzl
paid
about
$5,000 to have a 5kW/h Solar Battery installed to go with my =
$4,500
16
Solar Panel system that I had had installed a couple of years previous.
And I commented how I was then disappointed that, a week or so=
after
the
battery was installed, I had experienced a Black-out .... even=
though
my
Battery was holding a charge.
It seems the Battery *NEEDS* the Mains Voltage present so the Battery
can produce the correct voltage (240V R.M.S.) at the correct 5=
0 =
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Petzl
Hz
Frequency.
My power went out, again, at about 7:15p.m. yesterday, and did=
=
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Petzl
not
return until about 12:00 mid-day today ..... yes, something in=
=
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Petzl
the
order
of 17 hours outage!!
At about 9:00a.m. today, I checked out the amount of charge in=
my
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Petzl
Battery and it showed four L.E.D.'s out of five, so 80% charge=
d,
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Petzl
give
or
take.
So BEWARE before investing a lot of money in Solar Batteries, thinking
it will make you independant of The Mains ...... It DOESN'T.
A seperate Generator might be a better idea ..... *MAYBE* !!
You can get a battery config which provides power to
your house when there is no mains avaiable but it isnt
cheap because it has to disconnect from the mains in
that situation.
If he has enough solar cells and a battery that can stand/provid=
e
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Petzl
power for the end of daylight then have power discontented
(go off Grid)
That's a separate matter to providing power during a mains failur=
e.
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
if off grid
Post by Petzl
Which needs check he may have to buy more batteries and solar =
panels
Nope
Could be if off grid
a 5,000 watt power supply is not enough for me
My hot water alone is 5,000 watt Air conditioner
is easily that as well,
Irrelevant to what he has
?
For me to go off grid I would need 20=E2=80=9330 kWh of battery stor=
age.
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
With at least 10KW supply from solar cells
He isnt talking about going off grid, he is talking about using
what is in the battery until the mains comes back on again..
I knew that
So why did you rabbit on about going off grid ?
Post by Petzl
I doubt if a 5kW/h Solar Battery would supply a fridge and freezer
reliably
It would be fine anyway and no reason why you can't
turn the freezer off during a mains failure anyway.
Post by Petzl
What is needed is for people to know "Green energy" is a waste of
money I have the pricing for ONE average home to fully supply 240volt
electricity 24/7 costs AU$30,000
No one is talking about off grid
Petzl
2024-12-18 23:17:41 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 09:53:21 +1100, "Rod Speed"
snip
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Irrelevant to what he has
?
For me to go off grid I would need 20–30 kWh of battery storage.
With at least 10KW supply from solar cells
He isnt talking about going off grid, he is talking about using
what is in the battery until the mains comes back on again..
I knew that
So why did you rabbit on about going off grid ?
Because Daniel70 did not initially realize that the soar power shuts
down when the grid does
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
I doubt if a 5kW/h Solar Battery would supply a fridge and freezer
reliably
It would be fine anyway and no reason why you can't
turn the freezer off during a mains failure anyway.
Well in Victoria they can last for days sometimes weeks
As they are now relying on the weather prone national grid
<https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/half-a-million-victorian-homes-without-power-as-extreme-weather-smashes-state-20240213-p5f4nd.html>
https://t.ly/nGz2O
‘Weeks to restore’: Half a million homes without power after extreme
weather
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
What is needed is for people to know "Green energy" is a waste of
money I have the pricing for ONE average home to fully supply 240volt
electricity 24/7 costs AU$30,000
No one is talking about off grid
Albanese is talking about the whole of Australia off grid
--
Petzl
<https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/trump-israel-hamas/2023/10/08/id/1137485/>
https://tinyurl.com/yld563fs
just watch the video on how WWIII is being started because of
Joe Biden's enforcing his bogus, lying climate change propaganda
Rod Speed
2024-12-18 23:51:56 UTC
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Post by Petzl
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 09:53:21 +1100, "Rod Speed"
snip
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Rod Speed
Irrelevant to what he has
?
For me to go off grid I would need 20=E2=80=9330 kWh of battery st=
orage.
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
With at least 10KW supply from solar cells
He isnt talking about going off grid, he is talking about using
what is in the battery until the mains comes back on again..
I knew that
So why did you rabbit on about going off grid ?
Because Daniel70 did not initially realize that the soar power shuts
down when the grid does
That's not off grid
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
I doubt if a 5kW/h Solar Battery would supply a fridge and freezer
reliably
It would be fine anyway and no reason why you can't
turn the freezer off during a mains failure anyway.
Well in Victoria they can last for days sometimes weeks
BULLSHIT
Post by Petzl
As they are now relying on the weather prone national grid
If that was true, it would affect the entire SE. not just Victoria

And even SA wasnt down for days let alone weeks and that was due
to the transmission towers being knocked over by the megastorm.
Post by Petzl
<https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/half-a-million-victorian-=
homes-without-power-as-extreme-weather-smashes-state-20240213-p5f4nd.htm=
l>
Post by Petzl
https://t.ly/nGz2O
=E2=80=98Weeks to restore=E2=80=99: Half a million homes without power=
after extreme
Post by Petzl
weather
Fully restore isnt the same thing as how
long for the consumer to be without power.
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
What is needed is for people to know "Green energy" is a waste of
money I have the pricing for ONE average home to fully supply 240vol=
t
Post by Petzl
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
electricity 24/7 costs AU$30,000
No one is talking about off grid
Albanese is talking about the whole of Australia off grid
BULLSHIT
Daniel70
2024-12-18 09:31:33 UTC
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Post by Petzl
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 05:37:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Daniel70
Some of you might remember that in late November last year, I paid about
$5,000 to have a 5kW/h Solar Battery installed to go with my $4,500 16
Solar Panel system that I had had installed a couple of years previous.
And I commented how I was then disappointed that, a week or so after the
battery was installed, I had experienced a Black-out .... even though my
Battery was holding a charge.
It seems the Battery *NEEDS* the Mains Voltage present so the Battery
can produce the correct voltage (240V R.M.S.) at the correct 50 Hz
Frequency.
My power went out, again, at about 7:15p.m. yesterday, and did not
return until about 12:00 mid-day today ..... yes, something in the order
of 17 hours outage!!
At about 9:00a.m. today, I checked out the amount of charge in my
Battery and it showed four L.E.D.'s out of five, so 80% charged, give or
take.
So BEWARE before investing a lot of money in Solar Batteries, thinking
it will make you independant of The Mains ...... It DOESN'T.
A seperate Generator might be a better idea ..... *MAYBE* !!
You can get a battery config which provides power to
your house when there is no mains avaiable but it isnt
cheap because it has to disconnect from the mains in
that situation.
If he has enough solar cells and a battery that can stand/provide
power for the end of daylight then have power discontented
(go off Grid)
"Going off Grid" is something else .... e.g. you could have a Generator
that would start-up as required to re-charge the Batteries which have
gone "Flat'ish". That Battery Voltage would then be converted to A.C.
and then raised to 240v 50Hz A.C. APPROXIMATELY.

If YOU want the system to connect to the Mains AT ANY TIME, your local
Electricity supplier would want some degree of PRECISION in the Voltage
AND the Frequency!!
Post by Petzl
Which needs check he may have to buy more batteries and solar panels
If going totally off-grid, possibly!!
--
Daniel
Petzl
2024-12-18 11:56:34 UTC
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On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 20:31:33 +1100, Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
Post by Petzl
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 05:37:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Daniel70
Some of you might remember that in late November last year, I paid about
$5,000 to have a 5kW/h Solar Battery installed to go with my $4,500 16
Solar Panel system that I had had installed a couple of years previous.
And I commented how I was then disappointed that, a week or so after the
battery was installed, I had experienced a Black-out .... even though my
Battery was holding a charge.
It seems the Battery *NEEDS* the Mains Voltage present so the Battery
can produce the correct voltage (240V R.M.S.) at the correct 50 Hz
Frequency.
My power went out, again, at about 7:15p.m. yesterday, and did not
return until about 12:00 mid-day today ..... yes, something in the order
of 17 hours outage!!
At about 9:00a.m. today, I checked out the amount of charge in my
Battery and it showed four L.E.D.'s out of five, so 80% charged, give or
take.
So BEWARE before investing a lot of money in Solar Batteries, thinking
it will make you independant of The Mains ...... It DOESN'T.
A seperate Generator might be a better idea ..... *MAYBE* !!
You can get a battery config which provides power to
your house when there is no mains avaiable but it isnt
cheap because it has to disconnect from the mains in
that situation.
If he has enough solar cells and a battery that can stand/provide
power for the end of daylight then have power discontented
(go off Grid)
"Going off Grid" is something else .... e.g. you could have a Generator
that would start-up as required to re-charge the Batteries which have
gone "Flat'ish". That Battery Voltage would then be converted to A.C.
and then raised to 240v 50Hz A.C. APPROXIMATELY.
If YOU want the system to connect to the Mains AT ANY TIME, your local
Electricity supplier would want some degree of PRECISION in the Voltage
AND the Frequency!!
Post by Petzl
Which needs check he may have to buy more batteries and solar panels
If going totally off-grid, possibly!!
Dechucker did it
did not have troubles with for the time he remained on line

What puts me off is the reality of the cost for EVERY home in
Australia is AU$30,000 per home Thats if you have a BIG roof
https://ibb.co/k8gxMXK pic of home 10kw solar, with 20–30 kWh of
battery storage. probably need 15kw of solar panels?
But yes one could get a generator to top up, same cost as 10 more
panels?

The Government cost would be much, much higher probably four times
So it is bull that Nuclear replacing Coal power stations using same
state grid it did.

I don't even believe using latest tech coal fired power stations would
be bad for environment.

The present freak show federal govern has already overspent and the
money they expect from China iron exports is dwindling
Not sure if the Coalition will be less of a freak show
Really need to rain in types that fit into their parties Character
The Labor party has lost it's trade union character it used to have
and once did Australia proud.
--
Petzl
Those who are unproductive tax payers, welfare, government
departments, will think this Labor budget marvelous news and keep
voting Labor who out number the productive, private enterprise,
self-employed tax payers

Who should see this 2024 mid year budget as to keep stealing their
hard earned money, their superannuation and their homes!
https://t.ly/x5mA3
Immigration forecast blows out by 80,000 non-productive tax payers all
Labor voters in the 2024 mid-year economic forecast

Whitlam did not want anti-communists to settle in Australia,
irrespective of whether they were genuine asylum seekers.
Here his stance differed from the position he took following the
overthrow of Salvador Allende's left-wing government in Chile in 1973.
Albanese is worse than Whitlam and using migrants to stack Labor votes
in State capitals
Daniel70
2024-12-18 09:20:23 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 19:26:22 +1100, Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
Some of you might remember that in late November last year, I paid
about $5,000 to have a 5kW/h Solar Battery installed to go with my
$4,500 16 Solar Panel system that I had had installed a couple of
years previous.
And I commented how I was then disappointed that, a week or so after
the battery was installed, I had experienced a Black-out .... even
though my Battery was holding a charge.
It seems the Battery *NEEDS* the Mains Voltage present so the Battery
can produce the correct voltage (240V R.M.S.) at the correct 50 Hz
Frequency.
My power went out, again, at about 7:15p.m. yesterday, and did not
return until about 12:00 mid-day today ..... yes, something in the
order of 17 hours outage!!
At about 9:00a.m. today, I checked out the amount of charge in my
Battery and it showed four L.E.D.'s out of five, so 80% charged, give
or take.
So BEWARE before investing a lot of money in Solar Batteries, thinking
it will make you independant of The Mains ...... It DOESN'T.
A seperate Generator might be a better idea ..... *MAYBE* !!
You can get a battery config which provides power to
your house when there is no mains avaiable but it isnt
cheap because it has to disconnect from the mains in
that situation.
When my situation arose, I asked the installation company, and they said
they offered an Add-On for about $1,300 which you could connect (after
the power had gone out) to the Battery and it would provide a 50Hz-ish,
240V-ish output up to about 1kW power.
--
Daniel
Rod Speed
2024-12-18 09:29:43 UTC
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Post by Daniel70
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 19:26:22 +1100, Daniel70
Post by Daniel70
Some of you might remember that in late November last year, I paid
about $5,000 to have a 5kW/h Solar Battery installed to go with my
$4,500 16 Solar Panel system that I had had installed a couple of
years previous.
And I commented how I was then disappointed that, a week or so after
the battery was installed, I had experienced a Black-out .... even
though my Battery was holding a charge.
It seems the Battery *NEEDS* the Mains Voltage present so the Battery
can produce the correct voltage (240V R.M.S.) at the correct 50 Hz
Frequency.
My power went out, again, at about 7:15p.m. yesterday, and did not
return until about 12:00 mid-day today ..... yes, something in the
order of 17 hours outage!!
At about 9:00a.m. today, I checked out the amount of charge in my
Battery and it showed four L.E.D.'s out of five, so 80% charged, give
or take.
So BEWARE before investing a lot of money in Solar Batteries, thinking
it will make you independant of The Mains ...... It DOESN'T.
A seperate Generator might be a better idea ..... *MAYBE* !!
You can get a battery config which provides power to
your house when there is no mains avaiable but it isnt
cheap because it has to disconnect from the mains in
that situation.
When my situation arose, I asked the installation company, and they said
they offered an Add-On for about $1,300 which you could connect (after
the power had gone out) to the Battery and it would provide a 50Hz-ish,
240V-ish output up to about 1kW power.
Its trivial to provide what the battery can provide when the mains
is avaiable, when the mains is not available. It just needs to not
supply that to the incoming mains is not powered and even a
simple switch can do that.
Daniel70
2024-12-18 10:12:30 UTC
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Rod Speed wrote on 18/12/24 8:29 pm:
<Snip>
Post by Rod Speed
Its trivial to provide what the battery can provide when the mains
is avaiable, when the mains is not available. It just needs to not
supply that to the incoming mains is not powered and even a
simple switch can do that.
Correct!

In a different vein ..... Back in the late 70's, I was working at the
Aust Army's primary H.F. Transmitter station at Digger's Rest, just
North-West of Melbourne.

One night, we lost Mains Power, so one of our 350kVA Blackstone
generators started up to provide power (as usual) .... and usually the
power required barely had one Blackstone turning over but, this night,
one gennie was having a hard time of it, so we had to bring up a second
gennie and sync it to the first and let them share the load.

This wasn't too difficult .... once a week, as an exercise, in the
morning we'd bring up one of the three genies, sync it to the mains, let
it take the load then disconnect the Mains. Then in the afternoon, we'd
do the opposite to switch back to the Mains.

But this time, things just seemed WRONG!! We later found out that rather
than losing the Mains supply the Neutral had been lost, somewhere down
the road, so we had been supplying power not only to our Transmitters
but ALSO to the whole of Digger's Rest (maybe 50-100 houses).
--
Daniel
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