The immoral core of the left - how the left will say or do anything to achieve its objectives - the brutal reality of political correctness exposed

[Politica]

'Members of front organizations must continually embarrass, discredit and
degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them
facist, or Nazi or anti Semitic... The association will, after enough
reptition, become "fact" in the public mind.'


Moscow Central committee 1943. Source - Stephen Goode, "Radical Leftovers,"
Insight on the News, November 22, 1999, P. 10.

[Neville Duguid]

Post by Politica
'Members of front organizations must continually embarrass, discredit
and degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating,
label them facist, or Nazi or anti Semitic... The association will,
after enough reptition, become "fact" in the public mind.'
Moscow Central committee 1943. Source - Stephen Goode, "Radical
Leftovers," Insight on the News, November 22, 1999, P. 10.

So thats where Karen and her lap boys chucka, man, wallaby, smith (and the
others I forget) get their inspiration.

Most conspicuously you left out fasgnadh (aka Che Guava), who regards
such tactics as not only foolproof, but self-justifying on the grounds
they allow him to dupe all those he perceives as his 'competitors' (aka
the human race) into tearing out each others' eyes out while he idly
polishes his self-awarded halo and rehearses his Nobel Peace Prize
acceptance speech..

[Greg]

A quick scan of this NG is all the proof you need. This sort
of stuff is solely the province of the right. In political
parlance "playing the man".

Post by Politica
'Members of front organizations must continually embarrass, discredit and
degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them
facist, or Nazi or anti Semitic... The association will, after enough
reptition, become "fact" in the public mind.'
Moscow Central committee 1943. Source - Stephen Goode, "Radical Leftovers,"
Insight on the News, November 22, 1999, P. 10.

[Politica]

Post by Greg
A quick scan of this NG is all the proof you need. This sort
of stuff is solely the province of the right. In political
parlance "playing the man".

Its not. What you have said is the exact opposite of the truth. The left
always plays the man. Conservatives debate the issues. No honest assessment
could come up with any other conclusion.

[bihr]

What you said is absolutely correct ! All you have to do is look at the
knee-jerk reactionaries spouting off the obvious, lowest common denominator,
"common sense knowledge" and if one has a different opinion or original form
of analysis (not in key with their tune), they spit the dummy and start
abusing people in the most predictable and unoriginal of ways - Un-American
this and that, unpatriotic this and that, Sadam sympathisers ... just crap
offcourse, suitable when they cannot face the truth like real men ! What
this has to do with the wider statement on "morality" ? ... not a clue !

Post by Greg
A quick scan of this NG is all the proof you need. This sort
of stuff is solely the province of the right. In political
parlance "playing the man".

Post by Politica
'Members of front organizations must continually embarrass, discredit and
degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them
facist, or Nazi or anti Semitic... The association will, after enough
reptition, become "fact" in the public mind.'
Moscow Central committee 1943. Source - Stephen Goode, "Radical Leftovers,"
Insight on the News, November 22, 1999, P. 10.

[Krzysztof Wozniak]

Post by bihr
What you said is absolutely correct ! All you have to do is look at the
knee-jerk reactionaries spouting off the obvious, lowest common denominator,
"common sense knowledge" and if one has a different opinion or original form
of analysis (not in key with their tune), they spit the dummy and start
abusing people in the most predictable and unoriginal of ways - Un-American
this and that, unpatriotic this and that, Sadam sympathisers ... just crap
offcourse, suitable when they cannot face the truth like real men ! What
this has to do with the wider statement on "morality" ? ... not a clue !

I believe that this is what Politica refers to when he says:
"Conservatives always debate the issue".

The logical error is that our "rightees" love to equate
"leftees" with Stalin, Stalin with Hitler and Hitler with ALP.
The reality was that both Stalin and Hitler managed to
exterminate almost every socialist in Europe.
Secondly: in Australia we have no political left at all.

Of course if you are far to the right everyone else is to the left.

Regards,

[ ]
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Edith Cowan University / \ Phone: [phone]
Churchlands WA, 6018 $_,-._/ Fax: [phone]
Australia o

[Politica]

Post by bihr
What you said is absolutely correct ! All you have to do is look at the
knee-jerk reactionaries spouting off the obvious, lowest common denominator,
"common sense knowledge" and if one has a different opinion or original form
of analysis (not in key with their tune), they spit the dummy and start
abusing people in the most predictable and unoriginal of ways - Un-American
this and that, unpatriotic this and that, Sadam sympathisers ...

No, conservatives debate the issues. Leftists resort to verbal abuse. The
left plays the man, not the ball; the right leaves personal matters out of
it.

Just to prove it, lets debate immigration. Are you up to it? Can you manage
it without verbal abuse?

[Politica]

Post by bihr

Post by bihr
What you said is absolutely correct ! All you have to do is look at the
knee-jerk reactionaries spouting off the obvious, lowest common

denominator,

Post by bihr
"common sense knowledge" and if one has a different opinion or original

form

Post by bihr
of analysis (not in key with their tune), they spit the dummy and start
abusing people in the most predictable and unoriginal of ways -

Un-American

Post by bihr
this and that, unpatriotic this and that, Sadam sympathisers ...

No, conservatives debate the issues. Leftists resort to verbal abuse. The
left plays the man, not the ball; the right leaves personal matters out of
it.

Hmmm...
Now, we have to define what is meant by "leftists" and
"conservatives".

Post by bihr
Just to prove it, lets debate immigration. Are you up to it? Can you manage
it without verbal abuse?

Hmmmm... the current crop of "conservatives"... Howard and his
ilk.. have presided over a MASSIVE increase in immigration.

Then they have been brainwashed.

Of course this is normal for conservative parties. Immigrants
generally vote conservative. It is a perfect way of increasing
your voter base.

Immigrants generally vote labour, as Barry Jones admitted a few years ago in
a speech as ALP president.

Can we have a debate about immigration without verbal abuse and while
staying on topic (i.e. no evasions)?

--
Regards,
Gregory.
"Ding-a-Ding Dang, My Dang-a-Long Ling Long."

[Gregory Shearman]

Post by Politica

Of course this is normal for conservative parties. Immigrants
generally vote conservative. It is a perfect way of increasing
your voter base.

Immigrants generally vote labour, as Barry Jones admitted a few years ago in
a speech as ALP president.

He was wrong.

Post by Politica
Can we have a debate about immigration without verbal abuse and while
staying on topic (i.e. no evasions)?

I'm trying to have a debate but you don't seem to be willing.

[Gregory Shearman]

Post by Gregory Shearman

Post by Politica

Of course this is normal for conservative parties. Immigrants
generally vote conservative. It is a perfect way of increasing
your voter base.

Immigrants generally vote labour, as Barry Jones admitted a few years ago

in

Post by Gregory Shearman

Post by Politica
a speech as ALP president.

He was wrong.

Post by Politica
Can we have a debate about immigration without verbal abuse and while
staying on topic (i.e. no evasions)?

I'm trying to have a debate but you don't seem to be willing.

OK then.
1. Australians do not want immigration. Imposing it on them is undemocratic.

But they voted in Howard and his cronies. They have presided
over RECORD IMMIGRATION. How do you account for this
inconsistency? Are you telling me that they do not want
immigration but vote FOR immigration? That doesn't make sense.

2. Immigration lowers living standards, because immigrants do not bring
capital with them.

So, the economic post war boom that coincided with the
immigration boom was pure coincidence? Surely if immigration
were THAT harmful to our economy it would have cancelled out
that post war boom.

3. The "asylum seekers" are economic refugees who are lying about their
motives.

So, Saddam and the Taliban were not really evil?

Hmmm.... methinks you should go back to the drawing board.

[bihr]

Post by Politica
'Members of front organizations must continually embarrass, discredit and
degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them
facist, or Nazi or anti Semitic... The association will, after enough
reptition, become "fact" in the public mind.'
Moscow Central committee 1943. Source - Stephen Goode, "Radical Leftovers,"
Insight on the News, November 22, 1999, P. 10.

Indeed, the gas chambers, the torture, brutal and grotesque extermination of
Jews, non-Aryans, trade-unionists, socialists, social democrats, and
liberals became fact in the global, post-war public mind .... When the 1940s
"obstructionists" were too busy loading the trains with women and children
the gross reality of the lightly taken words of fascism, Nazism and
fanatical anti Semitism became an embarrassment of apocalyptic proportions
to the apologists and the closet sympathizers, now including the ones on
these newsgroups who still seek comfort in denying the most undeniable of
crimes against humanity ! The rest is plain Cold War nostalgia from a
bottom feeder stuck in the1950s ...

[Pizza Guy]

Post by Politica
'Members of front organizations must continually embarrass, discredit and
degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them
facist, or Nazi or anti Semitic... The association will, after enough
reptition, become "fact" in the public mind.'
Moscow Central committee 1943. Source - Stephen Goode, "Radical Leftovers,"
Insight on the News, November 22, 1999, P. 10.

This is the same tactic Goebells used. In fact, i'm sure every person
with a political barrow to push since well before Machiavelli has been
aware of the effectiveness of empty words like "anti-American",
"un-Australian" or "lefty scum" when you can't engage in constrcutive
and reasonable debate.

So why does your subject heading only refer to this mythical "left"?

PizzaGuy

[Lev Lafayette]

Post by Politica
'Members of front organizations must continually embarrass, discredit and
degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them
facist, or Nazi or anti Semitic... The association will, after enough
reptition, become "fact" in the public mind.'
Moscow Central committee 1943. Source - Stephen Goode, "Radical Leftovers,"
Insight on the News, November 22, 1999, P. 10.

Don't forget sufficient repitition of the claim that "the left" is
homogenous and receives its orders (and paychecks) from a central
committee in Russia. ;-)

[Stan Pierce]

Post by Lev Lafayette

Post by Politica
'Members of front organizations must continually embarrass,

discredit and

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Post by Politica
degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them
facist, or Nazi or anti Semitic... The association will, after enough
reptition, become "fact" in the public mind.'
Moscow Central committee 1943. Source - Stephen Goode, "Radical Leftovers,"
Insight on the News, November 22, 1999, P. 10.

Don't forget sufficient repitition of the claim that "the left" is
homogenous and receives its orders (and paychecks) from a central
committee in Russia. ;-)

Central Commitee not needed since every teachers college and university
in the West has regarded the script of the Franfurt School as Gospel.
Yes, the Left is homogenous.

Instead of " There is no other God but Me" as gospel, you
have... " Hate America " as gospel, and this coalesces all thought
into Frankfurt School ideology in an instant. That makes it
homogenous. The same psychological condition of all religions. A
belief in non tangible words to support an attitude.

Stan Pierce.

[Politica]

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Post by Lev Lafayette

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'Members of front organizations must continually embarrass,

discredit and

Post by Lev Lafayette

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degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating,

label them

Post by Lev Lafayette

Post by Politica
facist, or Nazi or anti Semitic... The association will, after

enough

Post by Lev Lafayette

Post by Politica
reptition, become "fact" in the public mind.'
Moscow Central committee 1943. Source - Stephen Goode, "Radical

Leftovers,"

Post by Lev Lafayette

Post by Politica
Insight on the News, November 22, 1999, P. 10.

Don't forget sufficient repitition of the claim that "the left" is
homogenous and receives its orders (and paychecks) from a central
committee in Russia. ;-)

Central Commitee not needed since every teachers college and university
in the West has regarded the script of the Franfurt School as Gospel.
Yes, the Left is homogenous.
Instead of " There is no other God but Me" as gospel, you
have... " Hate America " as gospel, and this coalesces all thought
into Frankfurt School ideology in an instant. That makes it
homogenous. The same psychological condition of all religions. A
belief in non tangible words to support an attitude.
Stan Pierce.

Actually I think its not "Hate America." The left's guifing light is
"destroy the west." Everything it says and does exists in the light of that
goal.

[Lev Lafayette]

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'Members of front organizations must continually embarrass,

discredit and

Post by Lev Lafayette

Post by Politica
degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating,

label them

Post by Lev Lafayette

Post by Politica
facist, or Nazi or anti Semitic... The association will, after

enough

Post by Lev Lafayette

Post by Politica
reptition, become "fact" in the public mind.'
Moscow Central committee 1943. Source - Stephen Goode, "Radical

Leftovers,"

Post by Lev Lafayette

Post by Politica
Insight on the News, November 22, 1999, P. 10.

Don't forget sufficient repitition of the claim that "the left" is
homogenous and receives its orders (and paychecks) from a central
committee in Russia. ;-)

Central Commitee not needed since every teachers college and university
in the West has regarded the script of the Franfurt School as Gospel.

Which Frankfurt School is that? The founding period which concentrated
on industrial political economy, the Horkheimer/Adorno period in exile
in the United States which concentrated on cultural criticism, the
Marcuse period which engaged in a Freud/Marx synthesis or the Habermas
period which concentrates on ordinary language philosophy and (lo! and
behold) _conservative_ functionalist sociology?

Hmmm.. That doesn't seem to be particularly homogenous either. A
so-called gospel that let's Pierce, Dewey, Parsons and Luhmann have
their say along with Hegel, Marx, Freud and Offe. Not so much a
"gospel" but rather an attempt to combine and recognize value in a
range of contributions. Quite moderate really.

Post by Politica
Yes, the Left is homogenous.

That's pure assertion. The left, being the organizations of social
change is by necessity heterogenous. The greater the degree of social
change sought, the greater the potential for difference. Why do you
think there's so many left organizations? Put two Trots in a room and
you get three splits. Your assertion is easily disproven by empirical
evidence.

Post by Politica
Instead of " There is no other God but Me" as gospel, you
have... " Hate America " as gospel, and this coalesces all thought
into Frankfurt School ideology in an instant.

But I _like_ the United States. I _like_ freedom of speech, I _like_ a
nation of hard-working inventors, a melting pot of cultures, and
psychedelic Indians. I _like_ the Declaration of Independence, the
Bill of Rights, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Abraham Lincoln,
Franklin D. Roosevelt, Walt Whitman, William S. Burroughs, Norman
Spinrad, Kurt Vonnegut Jnr, Gore Vidal, Steve Wright and Bill Hicks,
AT&T ("one policy, universal access") and Californian redwoods.

I _don't_ like Monroe, Reagan or Bush (I don't like jazz either).
Claims of the left being anti-american are just infantile excuses to
dodge the real questions of what _this_ particular U.S. government is
doing. One in fact could make a very good case that Bush is the one
who is actually "anti-American".

Post by Politica
That makes it
homogenous. The same psychological condition of all religions. A
belief in non tangible words to support an attitude.

You're wrong. Again. I wonder if you'll ever be mature enough to admit
error.

[JD]

Post by Lev Lafayette
evidence.

A word not taken to too kindly in usenet discussions too often.

[k***@kymhorsell.com]

Post by JD

Post by Lev Lafayette
evidence.

A word not taken to too kindly in usenet discussions too often.

Lately, there's a campaign to "present opinions only". ;-)




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